I have enormous respect for Pastor John MacArthur. In an era of flaky pastors who preach like Amway salesmen, John keeps it old skool. Not only does he not care about your feelings; he actually wants to hurt them to get the truth through to you so that you aren’t burnt to a crisp when God throws you in the eternal fire for your sins.
He goes too hard on the Pentecostals sometimes and, like all Calvinists, he gets predestination wrong by limiting God to human understandings of space-time, but on the whole he’s a sound Biblical preacher in an age of deception in the church.
I would have spent over 1000 hours listening to MacArthur’s sermons through his church’s Grace to You iPad app during my pre-marriage, Christcel days. They were pretty much my soundtrack for Civilization V.
When I saw that he’s done an interview with Ben Shapiro, I thought this would be fun to watch. And mostly, he didn’t disappoint.
Straight out of the gate, Shapiro asked MacArthur what the role of religious leaders should be when it comes to speaking about politics.
I am not to be a revolutionary. We don’t start riots. That’s not a Christian thing to do. We don’t even start revolutions, and you could argue about the American Revolution, whether that was legitimately a Christian act or not.
BOOM! How many pastors would be willing to dare to say that the liberal revolution of 1776, the founding myth of Amerian’s state religion, was not in accordance with Christian doctrine? Many conservatives today conflate the American Revolution with Christianity itself, creating a nationalist form of Christianity which is very useful to the neoconservative warmongers in the US deep state, but which is anathema to God.
MacArthur even states later in the interview that most of the Founding Fathers weren’t Christian, they were deists. And he’s right.
So if the Founding Fathers of America weren’t Christian, what religion gave them their theological premises?
Freemasonry. Freemasonry is Kabbalistic mysticism overlaid with a veneer of Biblical language. Its emergence during the Enlightenment marked the re-awakening the pre-Christian spiritual order, which the spread of Christianity had forced into the shadows and underground during the Church Age. It marked the beginning of what has been called the New World Order and is a modern manifestation of the mystery religion, which Jesus warned us about in Revelation.
The United States of America has been a Christian nation ruled by a Freemasonic elite throughout its history. Pastor Steven Anderson has sermonised more thoroughly on Freemasonry in America than I could here, and what he says about it is right.
It was interesting that straight away MacArthur chose to mention revolutions, and how Christians should stay away from them. MacArthur knows he is talking to a Jew, and he demonstrates later that he is familiar with the true teachings of Judaism. I believe here MacArthur is implicitly calling out the Jewish theological concepts of both Tikkun Olam and utopian Jewish orthodox Zionism. The first refers to the Jewish belief that their unique role in history is to save the world by destroying the nations and restoring the world to a pre-Tower of Babel state. This is the theology of the Jewish Marxist left. The second is the Zionist project to build the Third Temple and rule the world from Jerusalem.
MacArthur is telling Shapiro that neither of those is going to work. Only Jesus can save the Jews. Shortly afterward, Shapiro cuts suddenly to do a 30-second spiel to the camera advertising life insurance. So many layers of irony there.
MacArthur carries on well, arguing his oft-repeated view that Western civilisation has flourished when the people have come back to scripture, and become moribund when they abandoned it, until he completely screws the pooch.
I see the Enlightenment as the abandonment of Judeo-Christianity…
Let’s have a look at that term, shall we?
The term ‘Judeo-Christian’ was first used in 1821, but it referred to Jews who had converted to Christianity. This was an error; they’re just to be called Christians (Galatians 3:28). The term was used by Nietzsche later, but unsurprisingly was a hostile term. He used it to refer to a corrupted form of Christianity. He was right. The term was made popular in the early 20th century by advocates of Christian Zionism, which emerged from the Rothschild-funded Scofield Reference Bible published around the turn of the century.
It’s a propaganda term which has only been in use for a century. It is not found anywhere in early church writings. Why not?
Because Jesus and Paul were clear: Judaism and Christianity cannot be mixed. You can’t put new wine into old wineskins (Mark 22) and we must beware the leaven of the Pharisees (Matthew 16:6). Jesus was adamant. Judaism was dead.
Throughout the exchange, Shapiro’s focus was on moral questions and their relation to politics: homosexuality, slavery, supporting political leaders, etc. MacArthur does a great job at swatting these questions away. Given that MacArthur, 79, has been a preacher for 60 years, this isn’t surprising. It reveals a difference in emphasis, however, which many Christians in the postmodern church have forgotten, to the detriment of the church overall.
Jews on both the Marxist left and Zionist right are united by a common utopianism in their belief system. Jewish thinking is always about perfecting and controlling this world. There is no concern for the next. Shapiro can’t understand any other way of thinking. MacArthur, throughout the interview, is constantly rebutting Shapiro’s assumptions by showing that Jesus didn’t come to make the world perfect, but to show fallen humanity a way out of our imperfection. You can see Shapiro’s face get tighter and tighter as this goes on. It’s the same fundamental difference which drove the Jews to murder Jesus in the first place. They want sovereignty in this world. MacArthur is saying that’s not what God ever intended. Our sovereignty is celestial, through Jesus.
This is the problem with Boomer evangelicalism and its emphasis on fighting a ‘culture war’. If you’re fighting a culture war, you’ve already lost. The Bible clearly instructs Christians that we do not fight evil; we are to expose it (Ephesians 5:11). All Christians need to do is expose where the degeneracy, perversion and corruption is coming from, and it will flee the light of truth.
So where was cultural Marxism coming from all these years…?
I offend people all the time, because that’s necessary. If you try to develop a kind of Christianity that’s inoffensive, it’s not Christianity. It’s not the gospel.
Indeed, John. It’s why the right to not to be offended is the new totalitarianism. And who gets offended by the truth more than any other group John?
Why won’t you say?
About three-quarters of the way in is when we start to get closest to a key defining issue of Christian history – our relationship to the Jews. Shapiro begins his line of questioning by showing how Jews view Jesus.
Philosophically speaking, putting aside the basic crux of belief in one story, or one historical incidence in your view, putting that aside, what do you think is the key distinguishing factor between the philosophy of Christianity and the philosophy of Judaism?
You want John MacArthur to put Jesus aside? Good luck with that.
This question by Shapiro is revealing of his agenda. Judaising Christians and Jews seeking to maintain Jewish political control over America will always seek to unify Judaism and Christianity by minimising the role of Jesus and turning Christianity into another philosophical system of belief based on ‘values’. MacArthur is having none of that.
Well first of all, I don’t like to talk about it as a philosophy. I’d rather talk about it as a revelation, because it’s divine.
MacArthur goes on to outline how the Old Testament points to the New, and is necessary to interpret the gospels. The Old Testament also confirms the New, by containing the prophecies which point to Jesus as the Messiah. MacArthur highlights Isaiah 53 in particular:
Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
That’s a pretty perfect description of Jesus right there, written seven centuries before he appeared. Shapiro ignored it.
MacArthur then called out replacement theology: the doctrine that all the promises made to Israel prior to Christ were then transferred over to the church with the resurrection of Jesus. As a Bible-believing Christian, he’s right. The description of End Times events laid out in Daniel, Zechariah, Jeremiah, Matthew 24 and Revelation show clearly that God turns back to the Jews in the Last Days, and that they call upon Jesus just prior to their destruction by the anti-Christ, triggering the Second Coming of Christ when he and the church return to defend them (Revelation 19).
The Bible is clear that Jesus then massacres the armies assembled to destroy the Jewish people. He’s not coming back as a little baby. He’s coming back as a warrior king, and the church will be his army.
The scriptures are also clear, however, that at the cross, the Jews chose Satan over God (Revelation 2:9). They chose the devil (John 8:44). They chose Moloch (Acts 7:43), another name for Satan. He is their god during the church age. The curse the Jews called down on themselves when rejecting Jesus was that his blood would be upon them, and upon their descendants (Matthew 27:25). Even greater than the curse of Adam on all humanity, this curse is the reason for the suffering and misery of the Jewish people. This is the origin of ‘anti-Semitism’, and the mutual enmity between Christian civilisation and the Jews.
MacArthur glosses over all of this, unfortunately. It seems that even MacArthur’s willingness to offend with the truth has limits. He goes near to it though, if you listen carefully. MacArthur points out to Shapiro that Jews don’t follow the Torah directly; they follow what the rabbis say about it.
I know you would say that you feel more comfortable probably in following a rabbinical interpretation than you do your own interpretation, to some degree?
Nervous nodding from Shapiro. Jews get nervous when Christians might cotton on to the Babylonian Talmud, and what Judaism really teaches. Shapiro quickly interjects to give the official narrative, defending reliance upon the rabbis for interpreting the word of God rather than reading it directly because rabbis are smarter than everyone else and Jews are ‘extraordinarily educated’.
I guess they’re just smarter than everyone else, right?
MacArthur didn’t follow up on this topic, and that’s extremely unfortunate. What Shapiro is defending is the tradition of the ‘oral law’, which the rabbis contrast the ‘written law’ of Moses. What Christians think of as Judaism is actually the written law of Moses, comprising the Torah and the Tanakh. These, however, have long been jettisoned by liberal, reformed and orthodox Judaism. The rabbis say that, at the same time as Moses was receiving the written law on Mount Sinai, he also received the oral law from God at the same time. This oral law became the foundation of Pharisaic Judaism, based around the synagogue system which was present by the time of Christ.
This oral law Judaism is what Jesus spent his entire ministry railing against. He exposed and criticised it throughout his ministry. That’s why they killed him.
Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves,nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
I don’t think Jesus would get a spot as a talking head on Sky News saying things like that. He wouldn’t get funding for an evangelical church, either. He’d probably get his own page on the SPLC website calling him an ‘anti-Semite’ and comparing him to David Duke.
These are not good people, folks. pic.twitter.com/xD0RVZqgyC
— David Duke (@DrDavidDuke) December 13, 2018
Rabbinic Judaism is the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 3:9). Thankfully, many Jews are realising that they have been lied to for 200o years and are recognising Jesus as their messiah. These are the green leaves appearing on the fig tree that Jesus referenced in Matthew 24:32. This time of sin, suffering and death will come to an end soon.
In the meantime, liberal and orthodox Jews will continue to struggle in vain. The views of various Jewish factions clash, often violently, when it comes to Israel and the Jewish people’s relationship to the Gentiles. There are atheist Jews in America who hate Israel and believe that the eschatological role of world Jewry is to keep destroying Western civilisation from the inside.
There are ultra-orthodox Jews who believe that Zionism is evil and believe that the Jews should return to the authentic Torah in order for the moshiach, or Jewish Messiah, to appear.
— RT (@RT_com) December 12, 2018
There are other orthodox sects who believe that Zionist Jews should keep using the military power of America to bring about Greater Israel, while destroying Europe and Christianity to bring on the arrival of their moshiach:
Jewish Rabbi: "The Messiah will return only once Europa & Christianity are destroyed. So, is this a good news that Islam is invading Europa? It's an excellent news! Excellent!"#ButItsGoodForIsrael#KnowYourEnnemy pic.twitter.com/SNTwzDqcGQ
— Aidin II (@AidinTrismegist) December 1, 2018
Despite these theological differences, however, all of these various Jewish sects are united in a hatred and contempt for the goy, and particularly for Christianity. Although MacArthur is not bold enough to call this out, he is faithful in his loving proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Watch the exchange, and feel the intensity. Look at Shapiro’s face at the end. You are seeing the offence of the cross, which has existed since the crucifixion.
As the Holy Spirit told us in Romans 11:28, they are our enemies for the sake of the gospel, but beloved for the sake of the patriarchs. And we are not to hate our enemies. That’s what they do. Instead, we are to love them.
With the truth, of course.